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在我个人看来，预防性迪拉姆比 QUANTAR 测试好！最好不要浪费资金来增加测试次数，这需要 180 法郎，而疫苗则为 20 法郎。让我们增加疫苗剂量。让我们尽快完成昨天需要的疫苗接种。让我们首先为较低年龄的人接种疫苗，他们是船长经济和服务中的船长。
原则上，瑞士政府已经与几家公司签订了生产疫苗的合同，约 3600 万剂。我的意思是，对于瑞士的所有人来说几乎足够了。如果我们假设每个人都服用了两剂，但是在实地，如果疫苗的数量继续下去，那么结束的过程将需要数年才能完成。商店关闭一个半月。船长船怎么样？？因此，世界各地的所有制药厂都应共同生产疫苗，防止其被探测器垄断疫苗，并携手在当地和全球范围内为尽可能多的人接种疫苗，在最短的时间内接种疫苗。
“在进入森林之前用杀虫剂涂抹身体比寻找昆虫更好。”然后你被释放了。
برأي الشخصي درهم وقاية خير من قنطار اختبار! من الأفضل ان لا نُهدر الأموال لزيادة عدد الاختبارات الذي يكلف 180 فرنك بينما اللقاح عشرين فرنك فلنعمل على ازدياد جرعات اللقاح فلننتهي من تلقيح الأمس حاجة بأسرع وقت ممكن و لنبدأ بتلقيح الأعمار الأقل والتي هي قبطان السفينة اقتصادياً وخدمياً فإن قطاعات العمل بدأت تنهار
فمن حيث المبدأ الحكومة السويسرية ابرمت عقود مع عدت شركات لتصنيع اللقاح حوالي 36 مليون جرعة يعني تقريبا تكفي كل من في سويسرا وأكثر إذا افترضنا ان كل شخص اخذ جرعتين لكن على ارض الواقع اذا استمر عدد الملقحين كم هو فإن العملية لتنتهي ستستغرق سنين لتكتمل ليس من المنطقي ان تغلق المتاجر شهر ونصف كيف تسير سفينة بلا رُبان؟؟ لذلك يجب ان تتشارك جميع مصانع الأدوية حول العالم بصناعة اللقاحات ومنع احتكارها من قبل مكتشفيها والتكاتف محلياً وعالمياً لتلقيح أكبر عدد ممكن من السكان بأقصر مدة.
"أن تدهن جسمك بمضاد حشرات قبل دخولك الغابة خير لك من أن تبحث عن الحشرة". ودمتم سالمين.
我认为，瑞士的卫生系统真的很糟糕！！！如果瑞士人把头伸出来，关心一下普通人，也许每个人都已经接种了疫苗。 也许，如果瑞士人把他们的头从他们的A......里拿出来，他们关心每天的人，每个人都会已经接种疫苗了。为什么一个拥有850万人口的小国没有能力解决这个问题？ 因为，他们的领导人不称职，也不关心！他们有很高的薪水，而我们却没有。按照我们的说法，他们的工资很高，而不是按照他们的说法。因为他们中的大多数人都很懒惰，相互之间很刻薄，而且很专制。他们中的大多数人应该被关进监狱吗？把它放在公民投票中，问问人民？
I think that the Swiss Health System really sucks !!! Perhaps, if the Suisse got their head out of their a.., and they cared about everyday people, everybody would have been vaccinated already. Why is a country so small with 8.5 million people, have NOT been able to take care of this issue ? Because, their leaders are incompetent and don`t care ! And they have good salaries according to us, not according to them. Because most of them are lazy, mean to each other, and authoritarian. Should most of them should be in jail ? Put it in a referendum and ask the people?
由于Covid的原因，我一直不能去瑞士旅行，有时我每年只在瑞士呆几天到几个月。我大部分时间居住在斯洛伐克，我们处于黑区（高风险地区），目前有更严格的新规定，在我所在的地区，如果你需要旅行或购物，每7天就需要检测一次。斯洛伐克政府购买了Spunik V，它将在大约两周后向所有人自愿提供。
我是一个60多岁的单身父亲，有一个十几岁的女儿（离婚后有全部监护权），安全是问题，测试是不舒服的。这种情况给我带来了经济负担（餐馆），我们都必须忍受这种情况。政治和合作的利润使这一切变得困难。
I have not been able to travel to Switzerland due to Covid, I sometimes am only in Switzerland for a few days to months, per year. I reside most of the time in Slovakia , we are in a Black Zone (High risk area)at this time new stricter regulation, Every 7 days testing if you need to travel or shop is required in the area I am located. Slovak Government purchased Spunik V , it will be available to all on a voluntary basis in approximately two weeks.
I am in my 60s A single Father of a teen Daughter(Divorced full custody ), Safety is the issue, Testing is uncomfortable. The situation has given me a financial Burdon ( Restaurant ) We must all bear with the situation. Politics and cooperate profits Are making this difficult.
定期检测并不是一个令人愉快的经历，但我很乐意让它成为新的规范，哪怕只是为了避免对疫苗进行辩论。我不想被迫服用由辉瑞公司这种有腐败历史的公司生产的任何产品。
Regular testing is not an enjoyable experience but I would be happy for it to become the new norm, if only to avoid having to debate the vaccine. I don't want to be forced to take any product made by a company with the history of corruption that Pfizer has.
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我的问题是联系人追踪应用程序。 我几个月前就下载了它，愿意做一点事情来帮助我们大家。 1月3日，我开始感到疲倦，有点痛，但甩掉了。 1月4日也是如此，但是当我在5日睡了19个小时后，很明显有些事情发生了。 6日，在睡了10个小时后，我在吃了一小块干饼干后感到很难受，我的体温是37.8，所以我决定去看医生。快速测试证实我对Covid-19呈阳性，在我打字时，我正在与家人隔离10天，他们也在隔离中。 我于5日在应用程序中输入了我的症状，没有代码你就不能触发任何东西，而且只有在测试确认为阳性后你才能得到代码。 我以为我会在昨天测试结果出来的同时得到代码，但医生说不行。 在家里，通过Aargau追踪链接，我输入了1月1日以来所有我记得的亲密联系人的名字（幸好几乎没有），在那里你可以勾选一个方框，申请一个代码来触发应用程序。 我在24小时前提交了表格，但我列出的联系人都没有被联系上，我也没有收到代码。 这里的阿尔卑斯山上有很多马在奔跑! 现在我在想，"好吧，如果将来这个应用程序通知我，我与检测结果呈阳性的人有过密切接触，我应该进行隔离，也许还应该进行检测，我不确定我会相信它。"当我收到通知时，我可能已经在8或9天前与他们接触了，我为什么要开始10天的隔离？ 我目前对该应用程序的体验并没有激发出信任或遵守规则的愿望。
My beef is the contact tracing app. I downloaded it months ago, willing to do a little something to help us all. On the 3rd of January I started feeling tired and a bit achey but shrugged it off. Similar on the 4th of Jan, but when I slept for 19 hours on the 5th it was clear something was up. On the 6th, after 10 hours sleep, I wretched after eating a small piece of dried cracker and my temperature was 37.8 so I decided to see the Dr. The fast test confirmed I was positive for Covid-19 and I'm in my 10 day isolation from my family as I type this, and they are in quarantine. I entered my symptoms in the app on the 5th and you can't trigger anything without a code and you only get a code after a confirmed positive test. I thought I would get the code at the same time as the test result yesterday but the Dr said no. At home, via the Aargau tracing link I entered the names of all close contacts from the 1st of Jan that I could remember (hardly any thankfully) and there you can tick a box to request a code to trigger the app. I submitted the form over 24 hours ago and none of my listed contacts have been contacted and I haven't been sent a code. There are horses bolting all over the alps here! Now I'm thinking "well, if in the future the app notifies me that I've been in close contact with someone who tested positive and that I should quarantine and perhaps test, I'm not sure I would trust it" Why would I want to start a 10 day quarantine when by the time I get notified I may have been in contact with them 8 or 9 days ago? My current experience of the app doesn't inspire trust or a desire to follow the rules.
我创建了一个账户，只是为了能够分享我的经验，但我也意识到，在一个完全非理性的时代，这几乎没有任何意义。
我的一次经历。
2020年11月20日，与12人一组外出。
2020年11月23日，有些人说他们不舒服
??2020年11月，但几天后，有人报告说是阳性。
2020年11月26日我和我的伙伴在巴塞尔的一个实验室进行了检测。结果是阴性。
最后在我的记忆中，12人中有5人是阳性。
在阅读和看到人们被塞进鼻子里的这种棉签后，我决定，如果要发生这种情况，我将发出声音，我做到了。
那是非常不舒服的，我讨厌那些说我软弱或 "哦，没有那么不舒服 "的人。
之后，从2020年11月26日开始，我的鼻子在接受测试的那一侧异常地充满了粘液。
我在网上看到一些关于covid-19的精彩评论，有好有坏，有真有假。
根据我自己的经验，除非绝对必要，否则我不会去做测试。
我觉得这里或其他在线门户的任何报告都不够充分。
这些报告通常是 "意见"，而不是直接的统计数据和事实。
"沃州没有被包括在内，因为他们的报告迟了 "或类似的话！这对一个小国来说是无稽之谈。这在瑞士这样的小国是无稽之谈，因为停产而大声喊叫，却缺乏'信息'。这在我的世界里是完全错误和不道德的。
我在2018年得了流感，症状与现在所谓的covid-19相似。
在十天里，我发烧、出汗、睡眠不足、失去味觉，反正我平时是没有嗅觉的--但那也消失了，我每小时都有幻觉，我几乎无法呼吸。我最后服用了一些清除鼻塞的药物--只是。没有别的。
从这次开始，我更好地照顾自己，确保我一直都很温暖，有时甚至过度温暖。 此后我几乎没有生病，如果我开始生病，我可以追溯到不够温暖。
以一种奇怪的方式，只是与非医疗方式相比较，我在事后感觉更好，没有那么多病。
我的医生告诉我，"covid-19在2018年并不存在"--我不确定他到底是怎么知道的？
我的医生曾告诉我，嗅觉和味觉的丧失并不完全是covid-19的问题，但我从网上信息门户的印象是它是covid-19特有的。
我总体上保持健康，但对整个情况有一些潜在的压力，"负责人 "做出的决定似乎非常不科学或不完整，而新闻门户并没有真正使信息真正、真正容易阅读和了解。
I have created an account just so I can share my experience but I also realise that it will hardly mean anything in a time of total irrationality.
My one experience:
20 November 2020 out with a group of 12 people;
23 November 2020 some said they were not well
?? November 2020, but a few days later, someone reported positive;
26 November 2020 I and my partner were tested at a laboratory in Basel. The result was negative.
In the end 5 of the 12 were positive as far as I can remember.
After reading and seeing people having this swab shoved up their nose, I decided that if it was to happen I would make noise and I did.
It was very uncomfortable and I am sick of the people who tell me I am weak or “oh it wasn’t that uncomfortable!”
Afterwards and since the 26th of November 2020, my nose has been unusually filled with mucous in the side in which I was tested.
I have seen some wonderful comments all over the internet about covid-19, good and bad, truth and fake.
From my own experience, I will not be getting tested unless absolutely necessary.
I do not find any of the reporting here or other online portals sufficient enough.
The reports are usually ‘opinions’ and not straight statistics and facts.
“Vaud is not included because they report late” or some such thing! This is nonsense in a small country like Switzerland that is shouting loudly because of the shutdowns and yet the ‘information’ is lacking. This is totally wrong and unethical in my world.
I was sick in 2018 with the Flu and the symptoms were similar to what is now called covid-19.
For ten days I had fever, sweating, lack of sleep, lost taste, I normally have a lack of smell anyway - but that was gone also, I had hallucinations hourly, I could hardly breath. I ended up taking some medicine to clear the nasal congestion - only. Nothing else.
Since this time I have taken better care of my self and make sure I am warm all the time and sometimes overly warm. I have hardly been sick since and if I start to become sick I can trace it back to not being warm enough.
In a strange way, only comparing it to non medical ways, I felt better afterwards and less sickly.
My doctor has told me that “covid-19 was not around in 2018” - I am not sure how he knows this anyway???
My doctor has told me that the loss of smell and taste is not exclusively covid-19 but my impressions from online information portals is that it is covid-19 specific.
I remain generally healthy with some underlying stress about the whole situation and the uncertainty of people ‘in charge’ making decisions that seem very unscientific or incomplete and news portals not really making information really, really easy to read and to know about.
更新：我的鼻腔已基本修复 @ 2020 年 12 月 27 日。
Update: my nasal passage has almost repaired itself @ 27 December 2020.
我写了上述账户，后来删除了账户，但又回来了。
现在是 2021 年 2 月 2 日，我的鼻子还没有完全好，昨天我意识到我真的需要买一个鼻腔消毒喷雾剂。我一直在使用 Bepathen，虽然它能抑制鼻炎，但并不能完全清除鼻炎。有时候，我对这些东西的理解太慢了。
现在的情况是，一旦我停止在鼻腔里使用药膏，鼻涕就会重新流出来，从又粘又稠流到又干又硬。
我本以为鼻涕已经没有了，但实际上并非如此。
我现在使用鼻腔喷雾剂，今天早上情况好多了，但我要过几天再看看。
我做了一些研究，得出的唯一结论是，做测试的人弄伤了我的鼻腔，我甚至怀疑棉签是否放错了地方？我不是鼻科医生，但我很不高兴，尤其是现在我还得花钱去修理。
除非有人绝对强迫我做鼻拭子，否则我是不会做的。一定还有其他方法来检测这种 "严重致命的病毒"，如果没有，为什么不呢？这是 2021 年的善良!!!!
I wrote the above account and then later deleted my account but back again.
It is now 2 Feb 2021 and my nose has not cleared up totally and yesterday I realised I really needed to buy a disinfections nose spray. I was using Bepathen and while that was keeping it at bay it did not clear it up entirely. Sometimes I am slow on the uptake for these things.
What was happening is that as soon as I stopped the cream in my nasal passage the mucous would return and it goes from being thick and sticky to running to very dry and hard.
I had thought it was gone but not really.
I am now using the nasal spray and this morning it was much better but I will see after a few days.
I did a little research and the only conclusion I can come to is that the person doing the testing has injured my nasal passage(s) and I have even wondered if the swab was put into the wrong cavity? I am no nose doctor but I am not happy, especially now that I have to pay for this to be fixed.
Unless someone absolutely forces me to take a nose swab I am not doing it. There must be other ways of testing for this 'seriously deadly virus' and if not, then why not? It is 2021 for goodness!!!!
现在是 2021 年 2 月 8 日，使用上述喷雾剂后，我的鼻腔好多了。鼻腔消毒喷剂。
除非我的鼻子有什么变化，否则我就会说我的鼻子又健康了，不会再就此发帖了。
不过，我并不高兴，因为我的鼻腔因为 covid-19 检测而受伤！
Now 8 February 2021 and my nasal passage is much, much better after using the spray, mentioned above. A disinfection spay for the nose.
Unless something changes with my nose I will say that it is healthy again and will not post again regarding this.
However, I am not happy that my nasal passage was injured because of a covid-19 test!
我做了好几次测试......一次只有鼻子，两次鼻子和喉咙，三次只有鼻子，四次鼻子喉咙......回电说对不起，我们需要重新测试，然后只有鼻子。
更糟糕的是，一旦一个人被感染，他们就被迫在第11天去工作，没有任何测试，政府不支付费用，因此，如果这个人仍然被感染，他们继续传播病毒，而不是呆在家里，直到他们测试阴性。
难怪从2020年7月到现在的数字上升了30多万例。
很明显，瑞士的covid工作组对这种情况一无所知。
我打电话给政府卫生部长，询问为什么人们在没有确定他们不再是阳性的情况下就被送回来，我被伯尔尼的女人骂了，她对我说为什么人们一直在打电话，我说因为你为人民工作，我想要一个答案，她挂断了电话。我打电话给沙夫豪森州的卫生部门，他们嘲笑我说，政府知道自己在做什么......显然不是！我打电话给苏黎世市的卫生部门，他们说，政府知道自己在做什么。
我打电话给苏黎世市，问为什么几个月前赌场仍然开着，成为一个热点（现在已经关闭），没有回应。
我打电话给报社谈这些问题，被告知 "我们将看看它是否符合公众利益"????。我说很明显是这样的!
我打电话给合作社的负责人，问他们为什么不对手推车进行消毒，让收银员戴口罩，限制人数......他们说他们都做了，这不是真的，并说
他们说他们都做了，这不是真的，并说我们会回来的，谢谢你。
为人民执政的人完全脱离了轨道，显然不屑于追踪线索。
我也想知道他们是否想让60岁的人死掉，这样他们就不用支付养老金了，等等。
这不是什么阴谋论，是事实。
I had several test...one nose only, two nose and throat, three only nose, 4 nose throat...call back sorry we need to retest, then only nose.
Worse is knowing once a person is infected they are forced to go to work on the 11th day without any test the government does not pay, thus if the person is still infected they continue spreading the virus versus staying at home till they test negative
No wonder that the numbers from July 2020 to now rose over 300k cases.
Obviously the Swiss covid task force are ignorant to the situation.
I called the government minister of health to ask as to why people where sent back without making sure they no longer where positive I got yelled at by the woman in Bern screaming at me why people kept calling,,,to which I said because you work for the people and I want an answer, she hung up. I called the Canton Schaffhausen health department and was laughed at and told the government knows what is is doing...obviously not !
I called the city of Zurich to ask why the casino remained opened being a hotspot (now closing) a few months ago no response
I called newspapers to talk about such issues and was told " we will see if it is of public interest " ???? I said obviously it is!
I called head of coop to ask why they do not disinfect carts, have cashier wear masks , limit the amount of people...they said they do all of that which was not true and said
we will get back thank you.
The people who rule for the people are utterly out of track and obviously do not bother following the leads.
I also wonder if they would like 60 to keel over so they do not have to pay pensions ahv and so on
this is not a conspiracy theory they are facts
我在机场做了8次快速测试。即使有一次结果是阳性，接下来的三次测试也都是阴性。这些测试是非常不准确的。和我一起旅行的同事在三个机场做了4次阳性和11次阴性测试。这实在是太荒谬了。
I did 8 quick tests in airports. Even when one turned out positive the next 3 tests they did were all negative. These tests are very inaccurate. The colleague that I was travelling with had 4 postiive and 11 negative tests in 3 airports. It is just absurd.
我不得不接受所有的测试，共3次
第一次，他说只有喉咙与喉咙和鼻子。
第二次只做了鼻子，然后他们犯了一个错误，打电话来道歉，说我必须在第二天再去做一次检查。
规章制度使人不信任......为什么一次在那里，另一次在那里，然后两个都是......来吧。混乱!
I had to be tested all in all 3x
the first time he said only the throat versus throat and nose
the second time only the nose then they made a mistake and called apologetically and said I had to come and get another test the next day.
Rules and regulations brigs distrust...why once there and another there and then both...come on. Chaos!
我也一样
Same with me
主要是恐惧的宣传。几乎没有死亡人数占人口的百分比。
Hauptsächlich Angstmacherei. Prozentual der Bevölkerung fast keine Tote.
在我家人做之前，我从我们能找到的所有医疗机构做了5次测试。1个是阳性，4个是阴性。他们并不可靠，埃隆-马斯克刚刚有了同样的经历。我相信他胜过任何瑞士或欧洲的政治家。
Before my family did, I took 5 tests from all the providers we could find: 1 was positive and 4 were negative. They are not reliable and Elon Musk just had the same experience. I trust him more than any Swiss or European politician.
我们的测试丢失了：我于10月23日在HUG（日内瓦）提供了COVID-19测试的样本。我给HUG打了好几天电话，他们一直让我等待。最后，在星期一晚上，我被告知样品丢失了。
Our test was lost: I gave the sample for COVID-19 test at HUG (Geneva) on 23 Oct. I called HUG for days and they kept asking me to wait. Finally, on Monday evening, I was told that the sample was lost.
感谢您分享您的经历。他们有没有告诉你它发生了什么事，你下一步应该怎么做？
Thanks for sharing your experience. Did they tell you what happened to it and what you should do next?
不，他们没有告诉我发生了什么，尽管我表示很想知道。他们只是要求重新做一次测试。
No, they did not tell what happened, though I expressed my keen interest to know. They only asked to take a new test.
我在这里做了休息，他们把它弄丢了，我没有重做，因为这是完全不愉快的程序，我很生气，因为没有提供赔偿。
I did my rest here and they lost it, I did not redo it as it is utterly unpleasant procedure and I was angry as no compensation was provided.
我昨天和一个做了检查的人聊天，问他在我这个瑞士小镇上哪里可以做检查。他停顿了一下，相当奇怪地看着我，然后回答说，在医院或全科医生的手术室里。在我看来，这就是人们对医疗和公共卫生服务的 "正常 "期望。可悲的是，英国提供的是这种廉价、低劣、不可靠的一刀切服务，不重视客户、顾客或病人，甚至在像医疗保健这样至关重要的事情上也是如此。
I was talking yesterday with someone who had a test and asked him where you get tests here in my small Swiss town. He paused and looked at me rather strangely and then replied, at the hospital or in a GP surgery. In my view this is what one would “normally” expect of a medical and Public Health Service. Sadly Britain provides such cheap and shoddy and unreliable one size fits all services which do not value the customer, client or patient and even in something as vitally important as healthcare.
我相信这将改善英国的整个测试问题。我侄女的儿子因为发烧被从学校送回家。然后他不得不接受Covid-19的测试。他们不得不开车到曼彻斯特机场，那是一个25分钟的车程。他的测试结果为阴性，母亲被告知他必须再次接受测试。你会认为是在同一个地方，但不是。他们被要求开车到阿伯丁。带着一个生病的孩子，单程要开6-7个小时的车！？她拒绝去，我也不能怪她。
I am sure this would improve the whole testing issue here in the UK. My niece's son was sent home from school because of a fever. He then had to be tested for Covid-19. They had to drive to Manchester Airport, that's a 25 minutes drive. He tested negative and the mother was told he had to be tested again. You would think at the same place but no. They were asked to drive to Aberdeen. That's a 6-7 hours drive one way with a sick small child!?! She refused to go and I can't blame her.
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