What do you think are the main causes of declining birth rates?
1. lack of support for mothers. Especially for single parents. The pressure from the social welfare office is enormous. Even if you've always worked. You are locked into a frame and they no longer look at individual conditions.
2. the "compulsion" to put your child in a crèche. You want to support your child as they grow up and not just watch them progress.
3. if you don't put your child in a crèche, the mother's salary is missing and you almost can't make ends meet.
4. the mother misses out on social security contributions. At retirement age, you pay for having brought up children.
5. high social expectations. Children go to playgroup at a very early age. But they have to fulfil certain conditions before they can go. The mother has to stand up to this. The individual must fulfil a framework. Leads to great social pressure!
6. high expectations! Perfect mother who is loving, patient, understanding and caring for her child. At the same time a housewife who keeps everything in perfect order at home. Cook who prepares healthy meals. Babysitter (on the side if there are several children)
Then there are other everyday situations that have to be dealt with again and again. Then you have a job where you also have to fulfil expectations. And last but not least, you should also be the perfect partner in the relationship you have if you have to deal with the rest in addition to sleepless nights. And your own needs?
7. not every family is lucky enough to have grandparents who can look after their grandchildren. (Living far away, still working themselves, deceased, illnesses, no intact contact, etc.)
8. in case of illness you are on your own! No offers of support! You can't recover. Children are partly left to their own devices because the mother is incapable! Simply tragic!
9 What is 14 weeks maternity leave? How old is the baby?! 3 1/2 months... is breastfed needs the mother's trust... and the mother?! Should take care of job application and work?!
Many mothers get a huge emotional burden!
10. how is that supposed to work? Lack of daycare places. (Assuming that the mother can work)
If she has a crèche, then the salary goes completely to the childcare centre that the mother earns. So what is the work for? So that I don't see my child grow up? And then you also pay a decent contribution for that. (Apart from the emotional losses)
11 Many women no longer want children for precisely these reasons. And then there's the tendency towards physical perfectionism. The fear of no longer pleasing their partner after a pregnancy/birth.
12 Everything becomes expensive. Wages remain the same. You can be happy if you can still pay for the bare necessities as an average citizen.
So you see. The expectations of a mother are very high! If you can't fulfil all these expectations, you have "failed".
It can also be frightening!
Then you wonder why the rate of parental burnout is increasing so dramatically!
I have children myself. Do my best every day! I also go to work. I even enjoy it. But the pressure is very heavy. I haven't had a day off since 2017. My needs have taken a back seat. I often have to be there for my children because I can have a temperature of 39°C, a stomach bug or something else and I have to work. I have to fulfil all expectations.
My second child was 3 months old when I tore a muscle fibre in my shoulder. It was very painful and I would have had to take it easy to heal. It wasn't possible. I couldn't explain this to my baby and carried her with me for 1 year. Now my shoulder is still not good and I have to live with it.
These are all small things. But even small things can pile up. That makes being a mum sometimes very difficult, even in modern Switzerland!
1. Fehlende Unterstützung gegenüber Mütter. Auch besonders für Alleinerziehende. Der Druck vom Sozialamt ist enorm. Auch wenn man immer arbeitstätig war. Man wird in einen Rahmen gesperrt und man schaut nicht mehr auf Individuale Bedingungen.
2. Der "Zwang" sein Kind in eine Krippe zu geben. Man will sein Kind beim Aufwachsen unterstützen und dabei sein in all seinen Fortschritten nicht nur zuschauen.
3. Gibt man sein Kind nicht in die Krippe, fehlt der Gehalt der Mutter und man kommt so schon fast nicht mehr über die runden.
4. Der Mutter fehlen die Sozialbeiträge. Man büsst im Rentenalter dafür dass man Kinder großgezogen hat.
5. Hohe soziale Erwartungen. Kinder gehen schon sehr früh in die Spielgruppe. Müssen dort aber schon Bedingungen erfüllen damit sie gehen können. Die Mutter muss dem standhalten. Das Individuum muss ein Rahmen erfüllen. Führt zu großem gesellschaftlichem Druck!
6. Hohe Erwartungen! Perfekte Mutter die liebevoll, gedulig, verständnisvoll, fürsorglich für sein Kind da ist. Gleichzeitig Hausfrau die alles perfekt instand hält Zuhause. Köchin die gesunde Mahlzeiten zurecht zaubert. Babysitter (nebenher falls mehrere Kinder)
Da sind dann noch sonstige alltägliche Situationen die immer wieder zu bewältigen sind. Dann Berufstätigkeit dort hat man auch Erwartungen zu erfüllen. Und zu guter Letzt sollte man auch noch perfekter Partner sein in der Beziehung die man führt wenn man neben schlaflosen Nächten noch den Rest zu bewältigen hat. Und die eigenen Bedürfnisse?!
7. Nicht jede Familie hat das Glück Großeltern zu haben die zu den Enkeln schauen können. ( Wohnen weit weg, selber noch berufstätig, verstorben, Krankheiten, kein intakter Kontakt, ect..)
8. Bei Krankheit ist man auf sich gestellt! Keine Unterstützungsangebote! Man kann sich nicht erholen. Kinder werden sich so zum Teil selbst überlassen weil die Mutter nicht fähig ist! Einfch tragisch!
9. Was sind 14 Wochen Mutterschaftsurlaub?! Wie alt ist das Baby?! 3 1/2 Monate.. wird gestillt braucht das vertraute der Mutter.. und die Mutter?! Sollte sich um Bewerbung und arbeit kümmern?!
Da bekommen viele Mütter ne große seelische Last auferladen!
10. Wie soll das gehen? Fehlende Kita Plätze. (Voraussetzung dass die Mutter arbeiten kann)
Hat sie eine Krippe, dann geht der Gehalt komplett an de KiTa der die Mutter verdient. Für was dann die Arbeit? Damit ich mein Kind nicht aufwachsen sehe?! Und dafür bezahlt man dann auch noch ein ordentlicher beitrag. (Abgesehen von den seelischen Einbußen)
11. Viele Frauen wollen genau aus solchen Gründen keine Kinder mehr. Und das kommt noch der Hang zum Körperlichen Perfektionismus. Die Angst dem Partner nicht mehr zu gefallen nach einer Schwangerschaft/Geburt.
12. Alles wird teuer.. Löhne bleiben gleich. Man kann froh sein wenn man heute noch das nötigste bezahlen kann als durchschnitts Bürger.
Also sie sehen. Die Erwartungen einer Mutter ist sehr gross! Kann man all dies nicht erfüllen,hat man " versagt".
Kann auch Angst machen!
Dann fragt man sich wieso die Rate des elternburnouts so drastisch steigt?!
Habe selber Kinder. Gebe jeden Tag mein bestes! Gehe auch zur Arbeit. Gerne sogar. Aber der Druck der lastet sehr. Seit 2017 hatte ich kein tag mehr Urlaub. Meine Bedürfnisse sind weit weit hinten angestellt. Sehr oft muss ich für meine Kinder da sein da kann ich 39°C fieber haben, Magen Darm, oder sonstiges und man muss funktionieren. Allen Erwartungen gerecht werden.
Mein 2. Kind war 3 Monate da hatte ich einen Muskelfaserriss in der Schulter. War sehr schmerzhaft und zur Heilung wäre absolute Schonung angesagt gewesen. War nicht möglich. Konnte meinem Baby das nicht erklären und trug sie 1 Jahr so mit mir mit. Nun ist meine Schulter noch nicht gut und muss damit leben.
Das sind alles kleine Dinge. Aber auch kleine Dinge können sich häufen. Das macht das Mutterdasein auch in der modernen Schweiz manchmal sehr schwierig!
This should be a worldwide trend, because you can easily calculate that with more and more it just doesn't work anymore!!!! Of course, minimization brings problems for now, but they are easier to manage, like when we continue to drive growth forward!!! There are already too many of us, but in all likelihood the planet is already fighting back!!!!
Dies sollte ein Weltweiter Trend sein, denn man kann sich leicht ausrechnen das es mit immer mehr einfach nicht mehr geht !!!! Natuerlich bringt die minimierung erstmal Probleme die aber leichter zu bewätligen sind wie wenn wir das Wachstum immer weiter vorantreiben !!! Wir sind jetzt schon zu viele , aber aller wahrscheinlichkeit wehrt sich der Planet schon selbst !!!!
Peace be upon you
The problem is general and exists in all European countries
The main reason is the remoteness of the communities of these countries from religion, non-adherence to the rules of religion and obsession with personal freedom
السلام عليكم
المشكلة عامة و توجد في جميع الدول الاوربية
و السبب الرئيسي هو بعد مجتمعات هذه الدول عن الدين و عدم الالتزام باحكام الدين و الهوس بالحرية الشخصية
Well let me think about it. Apart from the fact that pregnancy alone requires an inmense physical and mental effort, on top of that, women do not want to have babies anymore because with the current social structure, this makes them financially vulnerable compared to men?
It is the secular system that has contributed to childlessness and the pressure on women because competing with men in work and jobs has made them give up having children and play the role of a sacrificed mother to establish a family with several children. In addition, the cost of living, health insurance and the government's policy of not supporting families to have children, helping women financially have children, giving them a grant for the duration of pregnancy and raising the baby for a sufficient period
النظام العلماني هو الذي ساهم في عدم الانجاب والضغوط علي المراءة بان تنافس الرجل في العمل والوظاءف جعلها تتخلي عن الانجاب ولعب دور الام المضحية لتاءسيس عاءلة بعدة ابناء . زد عن ذالك غلاء المعيشة والضمان الصحي وسياسة الحكومة بعدم دعم العاءلات علي الانجاب ومساعدة المراءة ماديا الانجاب واعطاءها منحة لمدة الحمل وتربية المولود مدة كافية
For example we stopping us from having a child because of income. We simply can not afford it in Switzerland.
Modern economically oriented countries are running into a dead end or even an ambush. Every state needs young talent because without young talent, the state can no longer exist at some point. The politically purely economic forces are heading in a different direction. They exploit people with profit-oriented cravings and the ridiculous belief in eternal growth and make young talent impossible. Fewer and fewer people are able to afford young talent and life. This is how society's growth and profit and return thinking stand in the way. I don't know how this is supposed to end. But I know that money is not food and that you can't run a household under paper banknotes or stocks.
Die modernen wirtschaftlich orientierten Länder laufen in eine Sackgasse oder gar in einen Hinterhalt. Jeder Staat braucht Nachwuchs denn ohne Nachwuchs kann es den Staat irgendwann nicht mehr geben. Die politisch rein wirtschaftlich orientierten Kräfte gehen in eine andere Richtung. Sie beuten Menschen mit profitorientierten Gelüsten und dem irrwitzigen Glauben an ewigen Wachstum aus und verunmöglichen den Nachwuchs. Immer weniger Menschen können sich Nachwuchs und Leben leisten. So stehen sich der Wachstum der Gesellschaft und das Gewinn- und Renditedenken im Wege. Wie das ausgehen soll weiss ich nicht. Aber ich weiss, dass Geld kein Nahrungsmittel ist und dass man unter papierenen Banknoten oder Aktien keinen Haushalt führen kann.
The only real reason is that Switzerland, just like Sweden, has lost their neutrality:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-envoy-rejects-idea-swiss-peace-summit-ukraine-2023-06-29/
Hi Nikk, thank you for your contribution. Could you explain the connection between the two? Thank you.
Good day to all
In my opinion, there are many factors involved.
- lack of affordable housing
- high healthcare costs
- Disadvantages in working life and subsequent retirement
- Environment situation
- Everything is chargeable, almost even a smile from the neighbour
- Increasing impoverishment of the middle class
In our society, there is a strong urge to consume things that are not necessarily necessary. The question must arise: Do I choose children or do I want to live up to my previous status?
A personal note: the immense pressure from the economy to grow this and so much every year is an impossibility. In medicine, this disease is called cancer. Just as he often brings the individual to the end, so do I see the economy...
Thank you for taking note of my opinion, I remain
Kind regards
Guten Tag an alle
Meiner Meinung nach spielen viele Faktoren mit.
- fehlender, bezahlbarer Wohnraum
- hohe Kosten für Gesundheitswesen
- Nachteile im Berufsleben und späterer Rente
- Situation Umwelt
- alles ist gebührenpflichtig, fast schon auch ein Lächeln des Nachbarn
- Immer grössere Verarmung der Mittelschicht
In unserer Gesellschaft wird stark zum Konsum von, ansich nicht notwendigen, Sachen angehalten. Da muss schon Mal die Frage aufkommen: entscheide ich mich für Kinder oder will ich meinen bisherigen Status gerecht werden?
Eine persönliche Anmerkung: der imense Druck der Wirtschaft, jedes Jahr so und soviel zu wachsen ist ein Ding der Unmöglickeit. In der Medizin heisst diese Krankheit Krebs. So wie er den einzelnen oft ans Ende bringt, so sehe ich das auch mit der Wirtschaft ...
Vielen Dank meine Meinung zur Kenntniss zu nehmen, verbleibe ich
Mit freundlichen Grüssen
Everyghing is chageable except a lot of the work women do that is taken for granted. Nobody thinks that women still do most of the unpaid work because men are still valued more than women.
Pornography and the decline of human decency in our society. Rise in self-centredness. We have more and more juvenile adults who think only for themselves. No God.
Pornography is not to be blamed, because pornography is only an effect of the cause being secularization and lack of faith in God.
IMHO....there are a few reasons for the declining birth rates. By the way, this isn't just happening in Switzerland it's happening all over the world especially in places that had high Mrna injection rates. For example, countries like Sweden had consistent birth rates prior to the Mrna's. There were approximately 115,000 births yearly until 2021. Now in 2023 they are below 100,000 the same is in Germany. In fact, substantial birth rate drops have been happening in 13 of 19 European countries
However, eastern countries like Bulgaria who had a much lower injection rates in some instances have witnessed a slight increase in births. Studies have also shown sperm decline in men who received the Mrnas as well. It has also been noted that East Asian countries like Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea are suffering more than European countries with lower birth rates. Even more so than before. This is one of the theories I have uncovered for the possible reason for low birth rates in Switzerland and globally.
Another reason may also be the media. Women have been indoctrinated to the extent that they view pregnancy "as a disease." It's all about working for corporations to increase revenue and that life isn't worth living unless you've earned a degree and climbed the corporate ladder. But women aren't any happier and society hasn't gotten any better.
The emasculation of men may also be another factor. Men being men is deemed "toxic masculinity" these days. However, we need the reasoning of men and the nurturing of women for balance. The two should complement each other not compete. The media has made men and women a competition and seeing that it's women who carry the child not men it seems like they want to "make men suffer" because of nature. Men and women are equal they're simply equal in different ways. I think people need a reality check and stop looking to "trends of the media" to govern their lives.
Fear mongering is another issue . If it's not a new disease it's climate change. If it's not that then it's war and so on. Due to the fear pushed on the populace by the media who wants to bring children into such a world?
Cost of living has always gone up-and-down but now it's something new. The threat of an entirely new financial system together with technical applications threatens peoples jobs i.e. financial stability. This makes people more weary of bringing children into the world.
There are some material things or external factors that can solve the low birth rate problem in Switzerland and other places. For instance, promote the nuclear family. Provide incentives for people who desire to have children. Stop pushing women to believe that her only fulfillment is to make money. Sorry ladies but women are the bearers of children...men aren't. So if women are continuously indoctrinated with the "horrors of motherhood" nothing will change. Lastly, people need to look within themselves for the truth not external factors. Then men and women will "naturally" gravitate to who we are and the world will be much better off. Families will flourish. I have enjoyed (and still enjoying) every bit of motherhood-parenthood even though I had to put career goals on hold and I have never regretted it.
I think what we're seeing here is women's revenge.
For centuries, men have regarded women as willing childbearing machines.
It's over now. Without a better deal from society, women are obviously no longer willing to sacrifice their lives for children. Women are under pressure to give birth and raise children. As a thank you, they lose their jobs & get their pension reduced due to a lack of contribution years. We urgently need a fairer system.
Ich glaube, was wir hier sehen, ist die Rache der Frauen.
Jahrhundertelang haben die Männer die Frauen als willige Gebärmaschinen betrachtet.
Das ist jetzt vorbei. Ohne einen besseren Deal von der Gesellschaft sind die Frauen offensichtlich nicht mehr bereit, ihr Leben für Kinder zu opfern. Die Frauen stehen unter Druck, Kinder zu gebären & aufzuziehen. Als Dank verlieren sie ihre Arbeit & bekommen die Pension gekürzt wegen mangelnden Beitragsjahren. Wir brauchen dringend ein faireres System.
That's an interesting perspective. Are you living in Switzerland?
Furthermore would be ideal to promote a wage increase to the dads, whenever a new baby there is in the family however however also out a limit of how much can increase solely based on that factor.
That way if at certain point they still want more children they do that without the incentive after the limit of wage increase
As an example let's say if they have 3 kids give an incentive of wage increase, then after 5 6 give another wage increase.
After 10 give the max , (what would be the amount?) Well that is for the Swiss people to choose and also the senate to promote a positive increase of family culture. Afterwards if the man wants to have more kids with his wife that is entirely up to him but no further incentive because then that would become noble so instead a certificate on father's Day.
That is how you promote a positive family culture.
Doesn't have to be this specifically but is an example.
What if isn't through wages and just tax reductions? Or tax refund? That is entirely possible and also brings a positive increase as well
Then at the same time in the other hand find a way to forbid abortions as well.
Then gradually talk about how contraceptives affect and creates cancer
And start making laws to forbid artificial contraceptives.
This is how you do things this is how life really truly improves.
That would be my advice
Several factors.
Although I can't speak on behalf of woman since a man thinks in some aspects differently .
Only based on analysis this is what I see
1) the higher cost of living
2) Medicare expenses.
3) high taxation.
These three main factors are concerning many
Additional factors?
4 abortions
5 artificial contraceptives and condoms
And there is other topics
But right now I believe this should suffice to say why there is a decrease of population.
If there was a special government programs to reduce the taxations based on amount of children a family has then that would probably help people have more children.
If abortions would be forbidden and contraceptives and birth control pills this would help drastically increase the population and people would make more conscious decisions to whom they choose as a partner for marriage.
Then more likely hood of families growing.
Furthermore if swiss makes new rules to deport immigrants who divorce their spouses, this would help actually make sure the right people the right intentions are those who want something permanent.
Naturally those who have a life or death situation and need asylum because some of their spouses are taking advantages, which is very unusual and very minimal situations, should be approved.
However, an anti-divorce law would really help increase the number of the family drastically in a very holistic way and manner.
Also some woman as well as men get concerned if someone else has venereal diseases and that concerns rightfully many, maybe getting proper doctors that will help make medical discoveries help. An perfect example in Russia last year a doctor discovered a cure for one of the hiv.
If many woman and men see an improvement in health I believe many will want to have children and this will increase population.
Some are talking about bringing immigrants from islamic backgrounds, I don't agree with such measures.
Don't misunderstand me there is people of goodwill in the middle east but the values specifically do the Muslims are very different than Christianity Catholicism.
Make a venereal disease examinations a mandatory requirement and then you will see many will want to have families because then they will realise that the people who are already in Switzerland as well as the immigrants who enter have fulfilled every requirements. Then have medical doctors examine the authenticity of the certificates or medical evaluations and you will clearly see that is going to help build trust between the people of Switzerland and also the Swiss government.
Also an educational reform where family values is highlighted and remove entirely the gender ideology and homosexuality from schools entirely as well as colleges, that is going to most certainly help increase population really
Which means also that more businesses can be built inside by really true native Swiss people as well as this will help increase the economy.
The more population the better a society grows.
Also the more population there is the better the defense structure as well.
Create a database where people who have general diseases are listed, why?
That way they can be easily located and then the men and woman avoid persons who have that disease until they cure and heal.
That way when someone searches their potential spouse they can verify and find if someone is in that list If that person isn't in that list then then the swiss citizen will be very happy.
Medical assistants should make a form that discloses that should the person show any venerial diseases This will be published on the records and once that person is healthier and medically verified 💯% by the physician that person's name will be removed from the list.
In addition create very good solid programs to reduce taxes to reduce taxations for those who have a family.
How will this be achieved? Well that is something for the Swiss people to discuss.
I believe this would be the right approach
1. High living and living costs.
2. High training costs.
3. More freedom without children.
I am married and have 2 adult married daughters and 3 grandchildren. And our children never stopped us, we simply always took them with us to visit friends or go on vacation.
And if I was still young, I would have kids again, but it costs a lot of money!
1. Hohe Wohn und Lebenskosten.
2. Hohe Ausbildungskosten.
3. Mehr Freiheit ohne Kinder.
Ich bin verheiratet und habe 2 erwachsene verheiratete Töchter und 3 Enkel Kinder. Und unsere Kinder haben uns nie gehindert, wir haben sie einfach immer mitgenommen um Freunde zu besuchen oder in die Ferien zu gehen.
Und wenn ich noch jung wäre, würde ich wieder Kinder haben, aber es kostet viel Geld !
Thanks for your feedback. Did you raise your children in Canada? What is the biggest expense for parents associated with raising children in your country?
It’s because you love abortion more than life.
Cost of living? Lack of mobility?
Hi there, thanks for your comment. Could you please tell me how having children impacts mobility where you live?
For me the main reasons for having just one child were costs (Kita 3k per month), age (had my first with 40) and career impact.
Dear Hulic, are you paying CHF3,000 per child in Switzerland? What's your job and how did child-rearing impact that?
I think the good old days as we used to say are long gone, possibly for a multitude of reasons. When I finished school at 16 there were no ifs or buts you went to work, at 18 18 months military service. Around this period life was more stereotyped, in other words boy meets girl fall in love, get married, have kids, mum at home with the family looking after everybody`s needs creating a very long & hard working day. To say that things have changed would be putting it mildly. This lifestyle for women was a bit normal in this era, today its not !!! The large majority of women today want a career, holidays with hubby, nice clothes, jewelry, car, bar-b-cue without screaming kids around getting generally mucky etc. etc. I`m not knocking what the modern woman wants i`m saying many things have dramatically changed. The mentality today is they think its ok to wait until say 35+ to have your first child, ----thwart with danger, -- getting too old for first child. Are you ladies very sure you want to arrive at 50+ when kids are leaving school, boy friends, girlfriends, job hunting, stress. You want to return to work at 50+ -- forget it you are now too old. I had a good friend of mine went for a job interview with a perfect CV as told by the interviewer, he was told you only have problem, ---- you are 42 !!!!! I can now understand why women will hold back on having a family & choose a career & probably having children will take a back seat. I think the sadness to this situation will come in later life when we get old & retire with no children or grandchildren to come & say, -- hello Grandpa, hello Grandma, -- bit empty is`nt it.
In part if we want to solve this problem our government desperately needs to adapt to modern times & give maximum help to make it very worthwhile to have a family & lets get back to,--- my mum at home looking after me & my brother & being highly respected as a fine woman & a wonderful mum.
Thanks for your interesting feedback. Did you grow up in Switzerland and do you think the changes you outline are particularly pronounced in this country, or is it a western European phenomenon?
Here in Italy the family size is average 1.25 children and falling. In twenty years time there will not be enough workers contributing to public services. Hospitals and schools will be starved of funds, the police and army will be reduced to a minimum.
Reasons are financial insecurity, and widespread use of birth control.
Immigration by persons willing to work is therefore desirable.
Thanks for your contribution. How can immigrants help to solve the problem? Should the authorities do more to absorb them into the workforce in Italy?
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